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Bluebook
Copyright ©2005, E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $

This cover page is obviously for my Bluebook folder. The book in the photograph is the sign for the cemetery where many of my relatives are buried. I visit many times a year to place flowers on their graves and to remember those that gave me life. On Memorial day I honor all of them, but especially my father who was a US Marine in W.W.II. Thanks to that generation, we in the US have the freedom to speak, to protest and yes to make images, and to live in freedom without the scourge of fascist governments for a while, as did much of the first world.

________P L E A S E - R E A D ________

Please use this image to comment on the Bluebook project as a whole, NOT on this poor example of an image. (I wanted to find a huge book to photograph and this is as good as it gets here, and it ain't that good. I know it.) I am most interested in why you think these images might or might not work in blue, and how blue tone may affect your reaction to the images. Plus anything else you may want to say.

________Thank you ________

Follow the link below to view the entire folder contents.

http://www.myfourthirds.com/folder.php?id=1148

Thank you for looking and special thanks to Andy for being the spark that got this project going.

Photographer: E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $
Folder: E³ - Bluebook
Uploaded: 2005-Dec-07 11:14 EST
Current Rating: 7.00/1 (Weighted rating: 7.80)
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its quite a difference looking them all as a whole series slideshow than as a single image. after a while I don't recognize them as blue tinted. I see them kind of b/w. the blue effect lost its effect. like the whole series a lot. the single images 'popularity' in general varied depending on personal taste *LOL*
like to judge the 'Bluebook' as a whole series: like the images presented as a complete slideshow better than the single images in particular. there are some good and some less good IMHO but as a whole slideshow the series is great. the whole is more than sum of the single...

michael hoefner HoF Win ¤ $ at 13:30 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

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Thank you Michael. I too see this as a series and agree with you about the project as a whole unit... but I still see blue. ;-)

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $ at 15:57 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

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Personally, this whole series was instructive to me. It spanned the range of sensation from ethereal to sublime to whimsical given life and breath by your own special view of the world. It showed me that one can take a specific image and change it such that it becomes more special and unique.

I am consistently amazed at the artistic quality and excellence exhibited by the more creative personages who contribute to MFT and you a certainly a member of that august body of artists and photographers.

A standing O Edwin - well done.

Tom Francis ¤1 at 16:32 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

great series!

The slideshow works well here - the variety of the individual images and genres provides a good balance (not just between the flag images!)

Like Michael, after a while my eyes adjusted and I stopped seeing blue and it all seemed like b&w. But I think without the blue the images wouldn't be tied together so well - and it's not just the names that are working there. Even if our visual processing adjusts for the colour slant, perhaps the very act of doing that adjustment sets these images apart from others and thus together.

Danny Yee ¤ $1 at 17:08 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

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Oh my, Tom. Thank you very much! Such a high complement. You are correct about the members of MFTs. So much talent. You comments humble me.

Thanks Danny, and I agree with your comment too. At first I decided to try different styles if photographs to see what might "work" with the blue tone. In the end I think the color tied many divergent images together as one, something I did not expect. It is interesting to me that psychologically some of you see thes as just b&w images, not just as blue images, but that the blue ties them together. That is also a surprise to me. ---interesting---

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 17:25 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

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I enjoyed the roller coaster ride of these images. When you viewed them as individual pictures (before they were a complete set) the judgement was on how the blue had influenced that category of the shot. Water, flower, sky. and cat and as you would expect some it enhanced and some it subverted. There is an Artist work I have seen (who's name I am afraid I have forgotten) who's canvases are words. "Blue" in giant letters is spelt out on a 16 ft x 16 ft canvas but in red paint. The colour field of RED conflicts with the linguistic symbolism of the word BLUE. You get a hiccup in the head. Which comes first vision or language? I believe a bit of that was going on here. If any of that makes sense. The water shot was enhanced as you expect water to be blue. But the rose looked strange as yiu hardly ever see blue roses. A great series I enjoyed it a great deal. Best wishes.

Martin Blunt ¤1 at 17:29 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

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Martin, I think I would like that artist's work. Maybe I can search the paintings and find them because I like that kind of word/head game.

You ask a good question about which comes first, vision or language. In infants the answer is obviously vision, but in the adult mind? At least we know that vision is universal to all peoples/languages, but there may be other differences that affect vision in different cultures. Something to ponder. Thank you.

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 18:06 EST on 2005-Dec-07 [Reply]

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WOW! Thank you Steen. Thanks for looking at the whole series as a slide show too!

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 12:18 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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I think this is well done but I do not care for the composition and the text in particular.

Margriet van Tulder ¤1 at 12:32 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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I will repeat what I said in the caption, Margriet.

"Please use this image to comment on the Bluebook project as a whole. I am most interested in why you think these images might or might not work in blue, and how blue tone may affect your reaction to the images. Plus anything else you may want to say."

Does your score reflect the whole series as I asked Margriet? If I read your comment correctly, it indicates that you simply don't like this TITLE PAGE which needs text or, well, it would not be the title page! All books are titled. LOL. I was not soliciting comments on this image, but on the series. But if you don't care to comment as I asked, thanks anyway, even if you ignored the project as a whole. This image was not meant to stand on its own, it's just a cover.

Thanks for looking at this one anyway! ;-)

Edwin

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 12:45 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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Edwin,

My comment reflects this photo and this alone. I did not keep up with your series so I cannot evaluate it fairly. I went now and looked at it – and of course it takes time to really look at it well and I will go back later and do so – but from a superficial look I can tell you that some photos I like very much some I like a little some I don’t care for at all. I will be happy to give you an evaluation for the whole series, if you like, very soon.

Margriet van Tulder ¤1 at 12:55 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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Interesting Bram, another series of blue by another artist. Hmmm... there must be some attraction of there are others.

The only real cohesion I see too is the color, Bram. Although it has been pointed out that for some people the series does tie together because of the blue. I am unsure still, but we all have different perceptions. Completely agree that not all of the images are strong. I was trying to see what might work with this idea and admittedly, some images are better than others. Interesting that you would pick out #5, but #14 is my favorite as well and is one of three images takens especially for this project.

Thanks for your time, as always.

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 13:01 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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Your choice Margriet, but only if you have the time and feel like it.

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 13:04 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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In Fairness to Margriet, I have formatted the caption differently to point out my attemt at soliciting comments about the folder and project as a whole. Wording has changed a bit, but my intent was always for this image to be a cover image, and not a typical submission for an individual rating.

I am attempting to get functionality that does not exist at MFTs. I know this is not a great picture! I hope to get some comments on the coler blue in b&w imagery, where it might and might not work, and the aesthetic and/or psychology of the whole.

(I would give this shot a 4 on a good day.)

E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ¤ $1 at 14:00 EST on 2005-Dec-08 [Reply]

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I have just viewed your blue series as a slide show (again). Two things strike me: 1) The blue colour binds them together. Pictures, which may not belong together have got something in common and look the same (the blue colour and perhaps also a mood they may not have had in their original colours). You may argue that they could have had something in common which made them go well together in a series also if they were in b&w (with or without a discrete warm/red tint as you prefer), but I don’t think so. They would have needed something more apparent – like the blue colour you have used here.

2) I also think that this series shows that pictures which may have been failures to a certain extent can work well with the right treatment (“rescue” job if you like) if the composition is good, and that pictures which may not be strong enough in themselves/may not work as stand alone picture can work perfectly in a series with other pictures they have something in common with (as the blue tint here).

Why do so many like to convert their pictures to blue and white? I think there are two main reasons for that: 1) We just like blue and we like the old cyanotypes and 2) Often blue tones are easier to work with than other tones. Easier (for inexperienced “post processors”) to get a fairly good result than when simply converting to b&w or to b&w with another tone/tint than blue.

I have enjoyed following this series and think it’s admirable of you to take up Andy’s challenge and produce pictures in a tone you yourself don’t like. I haven’t read all the comments on the pictures – did you say anywhere what you learnt from this?

My personal favourites are 2, 3, 4 and 6. The only pictures I have commented on I think. *lol* And there may be another lesson to learn from that; one like the pictures one have studied carefully. ;-)

p.t. Inactive Win ¤1 $ at 08:27 EST on 2005-Dec-18 [Reply]

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Hi Edwin,

I've just spent time letting the series repeat through many cycles. In no way was your 'experiment' a failure I think. The only one that I'm not so keen on is 'blue spruce', but even there the realisation of detail is excellent. In fact I think that doing just that is a defining characteristic of your photographic 'look'. Unfortunately I don't think that I fully understood all the detail in many of your photographs until fairly recently. Now I find that I'm quite taken aback by the realisation of how difficult it is both technically and compositionally. Some details can wreck a picture, but by giving an even weight to them it encourages the viewer to look at the entire image. The fabric of the image as it were. There are wee rewards to be had all over the place. The river of leaves pic in this series had that effect on me. (I'm not at all sure that I am expressing myself well here...I'm trying to put a feeling into words...)

With respect to the "blueness"....it does make me look at the picture a different way. Of course there are all sorts of psychological/perceptual reasons for doing that. There is a certain softness to many of these that I really like.....could that be due to our eyes being better sensitive to G light...the median colour for mixing? Perhaps, but for me the series works simply because it is 'different'. It asks to be looked at differently.

Is this a trick? Not really, there are a palette of colours, effects available for an artist to express themselves in PS. Therefore, they should all be explored I feel. In this case the palette is restricted, for the most part, to simply a defined or rigourously employed colour. You did restrict yourself in that respect. Why?

For me, the pictures that worked best are 1,2,3....6,7,8....10, 13 and 14...oh and the roses! 1...for the suprise, 2 for the composition, 3 for its sense of time, 6-8 for the different takes on patriotism, 13 for that amazing thrumbling glow and 14 for its sheer whimsy. Quite a gamut. You gave this a real crack I think.

So can blue work? Of course it can! Will everyone like it? Absolutely not. Does that matter? No way.

The strongest single picture to my mind was 6. That works at every single level, despite some of teh reactions it received. Maybe because of some of the reactions it received. I will not forget that image for a very long time, not least because it serves to remind many outside of the US that many inside it have a complex relationship with where they come from and who or what 'represents' them in the under the banner of that flag.

An A++ from me.

Best wishes- Andy

Andrew McLean HoF ¤1 $ at 21:01 EST on 2005-Dec-18 [Reply]